Initial reports say the dead were civilians, with women and children among the casualties.
Israeli military sources said they were unaware of the incident.
Earlier, four Palestinian militants and a civilian were reported killed in an Israeli army operation near the West Bank town of Jenin.
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The American Midterm elections were widely seen as a referendum on George Bush's policy on Iraq and the victory speeches of the Democrats, who won control of the House of Representatives (the control of the Senate is at time of writing, too close to call), were full of references to Bush's disastrous war. Unsurprisingly there was no mention at all of the mass murder being committed by America's closest ally.
If, as the new speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, said, the Democrats would "restore integrity and honesty" to Washington and lead the "most ethical Congress in history", then a good place to start would be another look at America's unqualified support for the genocidal kleptocracy allowed free reign in the Middle East.
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Their aim is to stifle any any commentary on the barbaric acts of the Israeli regime and also to distort on-line polls. Notice in the comments how most wish to remain anonymous, how they have nothing to say about Israel's killing of civilians including women and children, the theft of land, the deliberate policy of starving of the Palestinians, the robbing of their banks, the theft of their tax revenues and their efforts to stop any aid getting to the malnourished Palestinians, and, of course their ethnic cleansing. They try to justify these actions by saying that they left the Gaza strip, without mentioning of course that there is no freedom for the people of Gaza, it is now the World's largest open-air prison camp. What these GIYUS commenters most object to is the Palestinians daring to defend themselves against such brutality. Yes, they fire primitive home-made rockets, little better than fireworks that occasionally cause injury or worse. Compare this to Israel's tank and missile attacks or the DIME weapons they test on the Palestinians. And yet Ehud Olmert refers to the IDF as "the most moral military in the world".
So there you go GIYUS people, there are some more posts for you to get upset about.
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Tags: Israel, Palestine, US Politics
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The Hamas regime has declared war against Israel, continually firing rockets at cities in Israel. No country in the world can tolerate rockets being fired daily at its cities. Israel won't. Time for the Palestinians to accept the world's demand to step away from terror and accept the Roadmap Plan
Time for the paletinian to love their children more then they hate Israel and buildthier on sociaty on calture a normal state policies rather then allowing terroist shooting from civilian houses and wondering after why Israel responded to that same location.
It is showing how cowred they are hiding behinde women and children as human shiellds
What a coincidence, that's exactly what Giyus told you to say. I think you are putting the cart before the horse. Israel declared war on Hamas by continuously murdering Palestinians despite a ceasefire, stealing their tax revenue, robbing Palestinian banks, starving them and, with the help of the Bush administration, cutting off all aid to them. You are not fooling anybody.
Those damned Israelis! Couldn’t they just wait till the elections in US are over? And the elections in UK… And the elections in Nicaragua…
Couldn’t they just sit quietly in this God forgotten place of theirs, and not to spoil the appetite to good people in Europe and US with those contra-terrorist operations, with their unserious problems? So what that rainfall of Kassams doesn’t stop? So what that Kassam hit the school in the city of Ashdod just yesterday? They are Jews. They accustomed to suffering! So, they better shut up and sit quietly. After all, one killed Arab chilled worth 100 killed Jew children!
And your answer is to fire tank rounds at children sleeping in their beds is it? Wow, Israel truly has the "most moral military in the world".
I presume Simonetti has never been on the receiving end of a barage of Kassam rockets. Whilst the Palestinians allow Hamas to store and launch rockets from their midst, and whilst Palestinian Terrorists hiding in a Mosque are smuggled out in Muslim burqas they can only expect Israel to retaliate. If the "Palestinian in the street" doesn't like what is happening, they should not have voted for Hamas.
Sitting here in Israel, I assure you that none of us give a damn that America is holding mid-term elections. Hardly anyone here even noticed and certainly not the families in Sderot, otherwise engaged. Where is your condemnation of the Palestinians for ramping up their rocket fire just prior to the oh-so-important US elections? Thank goodness our government continues to seriously investigate claims of civilian casualties on the other side as opposed to your oppressed Palestinians who continue to publish and celebrate them as successes.
You are blind, you see only what the Israeli forces are doing to protect themselves. Who is continuously launching missiles form Ghaza right after their pullover from Ghaza last august ? The Palestinians .. and what you see is only what the IDF is doing ! This is what I call underdevelopped state of mind ! Recall yourself what they what the Palestinians did in Lebanon during the Lebanese civil war ? They killed women and children and and last but not least they were the reason to fuel the civil war. King Hussein knew how to stop them in September 1970 !!!
So many Useful Idiots like Davide on the blogsphere, remember that muslims kill muslims too. Terrorist groups inside Gaza have started using Hezbollah tactics and Al-Qaeda has set up a new media group.
Soon there will be live High definition web cameras with surround sound audio on the heads of dead babies!
Pullout? I don't think so. More like a redeployment of occupation forces. At the same time that settlements were removed from Gaza (as we see now to give freer reign to Israeli attacks on the population) about double the number of settlers were moved into the West Bank. Say what you like about defending yourselves - it's people whose land is under occupation who have the right under international law to resist even with weapons. If you want the rockets to stop end your land grab now. You're only creating more and more enemies with your arrogant disregard for international law and for the lives of Palestinians.
Israel is a criminal state that should be suspended immediately from the UN. It never complies with resolutions. It has defied the Geneva Conventions. It tests weapons against civilians.
Lebanon? Let's look a bit close to our own times. What kind of country fires thousands of cluster bombs into homes and arigultural lands just before a ceasefire is to come into effect. I'll give you a clue - one we could all do without.
Hatred and the lust for murdering innocent people lies at the heart of the incessant firing of Qassam rockets at Israel. Anyone who would attempt to justify or grant understanding to this practice of the Islamic terrorist groups in Gaza lends his sympathy to hatred and the lust for murder. Israel has every right to defend itself and undermine the source of the Qassam firings. The operation in Beit Hanun which just ended will surely be repeated if the Qassam launchings continue. And rightfully so.
you are liek thoose morons mixing iraq and 9\11 and makign conspiracy theories , you probably have no clue what happens in israel and think that shderot is a militery base or something , or what triggered the operation.
this is disgusting
So you are saying that Israelis haven't been murdering civilians and all the news sources are wrong and only you guys know the truth. Well I look forward to seeing the evidence that you have to support your 'argument'. I'm not holding my breath though. I reserve the word 'disgusting' for people who murder people in their sleep with tank shells and the people who defend such actions rather than those who comment on those atrocities.
Dear God there's some nutters on ere today. I HATE these people but they usually remain anonymous. Shitty little Israel you are the pariah dogs of the world. Every right-thinking person hopes Israel destroys itself soon. You have to realise such evil carries the seeds of its own destruction within itself.
May God have mercy on us all. I support Israel and there right to defend themselves. From a strictly secular viewpoint it just makes sense in the battle against terrorists who think killing people is a divine task. If they were successful in destroying Israel (which they won't), America would be next. From a historical perspective it seems clear that the "Palestinians" never have been an autonomous society and that name was given to that region by I think it was the Romans (Hadrian?)in an anti-semitic act of propoganda. I support their right to defend themselves against agression and hope to God America continues to stand with them also.
It is a great pity that you only seem to look at what happens here (I'm an Israeli) when there are casualties. Where were you the past two months when there have been daily Kassam rockets fired into Israel with the consent, if not direct order, of Hamas.
The current Palestiain Authority government is still resisting all attempts to require it to recognize the country of Israeli, which, incidentally, it complains will not negotiate with them. Hamas has also rejected all requests, including those from neighboring Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, to stop using terror attacks.
Hamas is simply what others have called an Islamo-Fascist organization that is using religion to prevent reaching any compromise solutions that do not fit in with their objective of destroying Israel as a political entity. Every event that happens now is a result of that position. The responsibility for the result, and the burden for change should be on them, not Israel.
the israeli government has a right to defend itself against quassams that have been raining down since the pullout. if civilians who are killed attempting to shield these terrorists or are just killed in the line of fire, it is the fault of the terrorists not the fault of the israelis for firing missiles at israeli communties. the deaths rest on their shoulders alone.
What a load of nonsense! All the residents of Gaza have to do to stop counter-attacks by the Israeli army in civilian neighborhoods is to refuse to permit the rejectionist thugs to fire rockets from there into Israeli civilian neighborhoods! If the terrorists didn't hide in civilian neighborhoods, there would be no army attacks there. To say that Israel should refrain from attacking terrorists who hide among civilians is to say that the lives of Israeli civilians are worth less than those of Palestinian civilians. No responsible government can decide to sacrifice its own civilians to avoid damage to foreign civilians harboring attackers.
The Palestinians have a right to resist illegal occupation. If the residents of Gaza did manage to prevent 'rocket' attacks over the border, their lot would not improve. The army might stop murdering civilians with high-tech weaponry for a while, but the Palestinians would still be starved and robbed by Israel, they would still be prevented from travelling and trading, the Illegal settlements would still continue to expand all over the West Bank. And as soon as there was serious talk about the possibility of peace negotiations, Israel would attack in order to provoke a response thus scuppering any chance of peace (as it always does).
Israel does not want peace, it wants more land and an ethnically and religiously 'pure' territory, which is why it has spent the last 50 or so years exterminating and ethnically cleansing the Palestinians. They are in the position where they have nothing left to loose by fighting.
There would be a much better chance of real peace if Israel stopped expanding the ILLEGAL settlements and dismantled them. If it also stopped murdering civilians and gave the Palestinians the most basic of human rights and made a genuine effort to work towards a viable, fully indepenent Palestinian state instead of a collection of cantons reminiscent of the reservations for native Americans and constantly squeezed by ever expanding settlements, the Palestinians might have more to live for and stop their resistance. But as long as Israel is governed by a bunch of theiving racists that is unlikely to happen.
As an Israeli I condemm what happen in Gaza yesterday. I condemm it because it is wrong to kill innocent children and civilians. But how many Palastinians will and have condemm the Kassam rockets falling each day, even before Israel has entered Beit Hanoon? how many? none. When the Palastinians want to stop - they will stop. and in the meantime we are all their captives !!!
Osnat, of all the GIYUS commenters you are the only one who has condemned what happened in Beit Hanoon (albeit with qualification) so thanks for that at least.
The more the IDF slaughter Palestinians the more rockets are fired and then the more Palestinians are slaughtered. We all know this. This cycle can only stop when there is some justice for the Palestinians. As long as they are treated as Helots they will have an excuse and be able to hold the moral high ground. Israel as an established state has an obligation to at least try and stop the violence rather than continually provoking it.
I'm pretty sure people on both sides are sick of all this violence and condemn it but their voices are not heard.
it is about time that Israel completely ignore any condemnation of our effort to stay alive and have a simple life in a and keep pounding at the Palestinians terrorists the Palestinians should either step up to and change their terrorist ways or prepare to suffer the outcome of their terrorist actions, my personal feeling is that the Israelis are too soft when we handle the Palestinians terrorists, we should put the fear of god into them. Let them know that one KASAM will mean a complete destruction of any suspected or even slightly affiliatd infrastructure which helped send this KASAM. Then and only then we will be able to talk to them.
Yes, put the fear of God into them. If the whole nation submits to crawling around on their bellies for a few years, then maybe the Sraelis may think about starting to consider that one day they might make some moves to begin considering whether to slightly ease the lot of the Palestinians.........Ugh.
You lot are EVIL and are going to hell.. or maybe you live in it already.
I was also alerted to your blog by giyus. I do not support the state of Israel in there terrorism against Palestinian civilians. I suggest that anyone who feels the same way sign up at giyus so we can provide some balance to the Israeli propagandists in blogs like this.
I must say I'm surprised that Giyus alerted you Anonymous if you don't agree with the policies it defends. I'm genuinely curious. Personally I wouldn't sign up to Giyus or anything like it, firstly because it exists to spread propaganda, and secondly because it is backed by the Israeli government. It attempts to blur the distinction between "Israeli" and "Jewish" and labels anyone who disagrees with Israeli policies as anti-Semitic. I find that despicable.
I find the best way to deal with such an organisation is to alert people to its agenda, expose it and ridicule it. For more about how Giyus distorts on-line polls, read this post.
It's a shame that tactic worked when used on the BBC, but in this case it has been counter-productive. Because of Giyus trying to silence me, more people have read this post than many of my others. It has been linked to on blogs which have far more readers than mine, see here, here and here. Way to go Giyus!
Eyal- Sitting here in Israel, I assure you that none of us give a damn that America is holding mid-term elections...
You and the ordinary people might not, but the leadership would.
Anon- muslims kill muslims
So? What is your point with that?
Steve White- From a strictly secular viewpoint it just makes sense in the battle against terrorists who think killing people is a divine task.
The whole claim to Israel is based on the Promised Land, which is a devine claim, which is not a valid reason to occupy someone elses land.
Anon- it is about time that Israel completely ignore any condemnation of our effort to stay alive and have a simple life in a and keep pounding at the Palestinians...
Israel does already
I've never really understood the problem. What exactly do people want Israel to stop? The road blocks, the check points, the targetted killings?
If all nations are allowed to use these things against the suicide bomber, why not Israel? If the Palestinians really wanted them to stop, they simply need to stop deliberaly murdering civilians.
If you don't understand the problem, why comment? Yes, people would like to see an end to the road blocks, the check points and the targeted killings. We'd also like Israel to stop indescriminately slaughtering Palestinian civilians, starving them, preventing them from tending their crops, stealing their land etc.
You are assuming that everyone Israel kills is a suicide bomber. Well, you are very wrong on that point. Most civilised nations do not behave the way that Israel does and the reason there were suicide bombers is because of the appaling conditions the Palestinians are kept in. Incidentally, when was the last time there was a suicide bombing on Israeli civilians? I'm afraid it is Israel that is murdering civilans. It was Israel's murder of civilians that started this whole thread.
Seeing as you are having such trouble understanding, as you say, perhaps a visual aid might help you. Enjoy!
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